What camera and Mic to use for budget filmmaking

So I'm making a low budget star wars fan film I have my Samsung Galaxy S8 but the fast-moving lightsaber battles and so on where I need tracking some frames are just too blurry I have heard in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wWOFYjJdaI

that I need a camera with high shutter speed but what are some budget high shutter speed camera like I don't think I should use a GoPro?

and i also need ideas for what mic to buy since wireless mics are expensive and wired lavalier mics like the rode smartlav+ you have to be very close to the camera and it would be hard to hide the wires and I don't even think you can use 4 rode smartlav+ since the actors need to be moving away from the camera in the scenes

 

TLDR: need ideas for a budget camera with high shutter speed and budget mic for filmmaking where the actors are awey from the camera

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  • It would also be nice if the camera is better than my s8 :D

  • Triem23Triem23 Moderator

    In this case it's not a question of finding a "high shutter speed" camera, just finding out how to change the setting on the camera you already have.

    For example, with your Samsung GS8 you can download the "Sports Mode" setting -which is a high shutter speed mode for capturing fast action. https://gadgetguideonline.com/s8/how-to-use-galaxy-s8-camera-modes/

    A GoPro has high shutter speeds. At least up to 1/500 second, which is certainly fast enough to cut blur on a lightsaber battle.

    Otherwise, "budget" camera isn't specific enough. There are so many cameras out now, and so many good cameras that are discounted for being "last year's model," that we'll really need a price range to begin making suggestions.

    For budget microphones, I think the general consensus will be to look at the RODE VideoMic series. http://www.rode.com/microphones/filter/all/all/all/all/all/0-99/all This link is for RODE's microphones for film and is set to filter for mics under $100. There are more options, but I'm keeping it cheap.

  • @Triem23 Well i have installed the sport mode but can't find it in my camera app

  • The S8 is a plenty capable camera for low budget... There are feature films shot on the much older and lower quality iPhone 4 series. 

    You may also want to look into Filmic Pro... It offers a lot of fancy features for phone cinematography.

    I agree with Triem's statement- RODE will be one of your best options for a budget mic in the type of film you're producing.

  • Just thoght id throw this out there: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HE9G3UQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A249WQMFP7W27G&psc=1 For a mic. I hear good things of it, and its under $30

  • triforcefx  I'm still having problems with shutter speed some frames are so blurry that you can't even see the object I'm trying to track what can I do about that will filmic pro fix that?

    im thinking about buying the rode videomic me will that me good for recordings with multiple actors in front of a moving camera ?

  • @danilkp1234 Filmic Pro allows you to adjust all sorts of things- shutter, exposure, white balance, framerate, resolution. It definitely is a huge level up for phone filmmaking. Remember though, the higher your shutter, the more light you'll need.

    The Videomic Me is a great microphone. It's a shotgun style, meaning it will capture anything in front of it. Just remember, if you're in back of it, too far to the side, or too far away, it won't pick up the sound very well. Hope that helps.

  • triforcefx what would then be a good mic if you have a bit longer distance to the camera ?

  • Triem23Triem23 Moderator

    Somewhat irrelevant question. No matter the mic, from a $30 Rode to a $1500 Seinheiser, once you're more than 10ft from the camera audio suffers.

    Shotguns are used specifically because of what Triforce noted. They are designed to pick up sounds in a narrow cone in the front and as little side/back as possible. Why? For one thing you don't want to hear the noises made by the camera operators, the boom guy moving, etc. 

    Field audio is a more complex issue than I want to get in depth with now, but I'll say, to this day, primary audio is recorded by a guy with a boom pole pointing that mic. For a long shot - more than 10 ft or so a wireless lav will be hidden in costume, set, and/or wig. TV/film work will record to a field recorder with 6-8 tracks. Boom, any other lavs, etc. Audio is always synched in post*.

    Did a movie once where the Nagra field recorder had bad timing. Audio drifted. It was horrible - I had to correct roughly one frame every five seconds  then patch all the one frame gaps. Took me the better part of a week just to synch and patch audio to film. THEN I could start audio design. 

    TV shows use as much production audio as possible*. Feature films are often more than 90% re-dubbed in post.

    *Trivia for anyone who watched Star Trek, TNG. Watch scenes in Engineering - there are episodes where you'll see characters stop conversation when on the lift. Why? Too noisy, and no budget for dubbing. Director Mike Vejar discussed an episode he directed where he refused to break the conversation for a 10 second pause. Yup, the lift scene was overdubbed... And that was the last Trek Vejar ever did. 

  • @Triem23 Interesting. Mike Vejar directed TNG (1 episode), DS9 (7 episodes), Voyager (13 episodes), Enterprise (11 episodes). He got his start way back in the days... Fantasy Island! He's done a lot of stuff.

  • Triem23Triem23 Moderator

    @FilmSensei not to mention Babylon 5. Vejar was a fantastic director. Visually, he tended to pull off more interesting shots than many of his contemporaries. Any time I'd see his name on an episode I'd wait for his "awesome" sequence. 

  • But how would I change the shutter so that frames aren't so blurry that you can't even track an object I installed the sports mode camera add-on for my s8 but can't find it in the camera app and I can't really find an alternative app to change the shutter i have tried OpenCamera app and CinemaFV5 but those apps record in weird aspect ratios and not the 4k I'm able to shut within the Default camera app

  • @Triem23 what shutter speed should I use for fast moving lightsaber battle

  • Triem23Triem23 Moderator

    Higher the better. Probably 1/250 or 1/500.

  • CNKCNK
    edited April 2019

     I don't think you have a need to upgrade video, but phone cameras do tend to cause the fishbowl effect because they're generally low quality optics and wide angle. This is quite hard to fix in post, but if you don't notice that in your shots, then unlocking features of your camera is the way to go. I found that your camera already should have an option for 1/24000 sec - 10 seconds (hopefully it's not just photos)  https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-70127/

  • Budgeted mic under 100$?

  • adamdevine78 , what type? lav (lapel) shotgun?

    DISCLAIMER: I'm a novice, so I may have been duped into thinking them good,

    But I have:

    TAKSTAR SGC-598  under $30 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HE9G3UQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 

    Boya By M1 Lavalier Mic under $20 

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MRMU2HU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    The BOYA BY-MM1 Video mic (almost identical as the Rode VideoMicro at half the price), $25

    https://www.amazon.com/BOYA-Microphone-Livestream-Recording-Smartphone/dp/B06ZYN1H9P/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1CD3X5BWYPX94&keywords=boya+bymm1&qid=1556306004&s=electronics&sprefix=boya+by+mm1%2Celectronics%2C349&sr=1-3

     

    I would not recommend the  BOYA BY-MM1 or the Rode VideoMicro (I have used both) for clean high quality audio, too much static room noise. 

    The Boya By M1 Lav is pretty nice for the price (I paid $13).

    the TAKSTAR SGC-598, seems awesome, but I have not done extensive testing yet.

     

    Youtube is your friend here, before you buy any mic (or anyTHING ) online look it up, and see what people are saying about it.

    Again, I am quite new myself.

  • edited April 2019

    For the boya lav mic:

    https://youtu.be/vI_1nTUN-fE

    Yes the guys a nerd, but review is pretty good

  • edited April 2019

    A comparison of the TAKSTAR SGC-598

    https://youtu.be/p9rrr3l3yuA

  • shahbaz7863 said:
    “Purchase editing software (Adobe Creative Cloud is a good investment for me. There are free video editing programs out there.)”

    I’m not sure this user even knows what forum they’re on... seems fishy. Not to mention the totally random link at the end.

    @TheBenNorris I think it’s time to close this one

  • Better bet: find someone who does sound. Having the gear isn't enough, the person using it has to know HOW to use it.

    There's a good chance that you'll be able to find someone who's into sound design who's getting started and is willing to do you a favor in order to get the experience + credit.

    Lights are important, but you don't have to spend a lot of money to get started there; I'd recommend getting some work lights from Home Despot and supplement them with a Lowel Tota (LED if you can afford the $300, otherwise just live with the hot version). Add some silk from a nearby fabric store and you have a lot of versatility right there, and without much investment -- just keep your scenes small enough for your lights and don't try to compete with the giant sky fireball. You'll need quite a monster to do that.

    Editing wise, stick to HitFilm and/or Resolve. Save your money and use your time to learn to use the tools instead. If you're clever, you can use Resolve to sync and create intermediates, then hand the footage off to HitFilm for editing + FX. Export it and bounce it back to Resolve as a baked render to do the final sound mix in Fairlight, and Bob's your uncle.

     

  • Closed. Thanks @triforcefx. Another year, another bot.

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